Non Political, Political Statement

Posted on May 3, 2009. Filed under: Coastal Uruguay, Off The Wall, Uruguay Expatriate |

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In the nearly two and half years of writing for this blog, I’ve avoided political commentary.

First, we’re trying to make friends and nothing can wee wee people off faster than political disagreements. It ain’t worth it. Second, we like making money for ourselves and our business associates. The first rule applies. I’d rather have the money than win political arguments.

The time has come for a slight retreat on the issue. While I have no interest in bashing anyone’s political views, or selling my own, a neutral observation is in order. Of all the reasons given by people for moving to Uruguay, from the US in particular, the overwhelming driver was fear of mounting political repression. Rightly or wrongly, this fear has only escalated with the new administration in Washington.

But here’s the thing. Of the probably 100 people I’ve talked to about baling out, every single person has been a conservative. This brings up an obvious conflict for these emigrants. Let’s put it this way, if you like the direction of US politics you’re just gonna love Uruguay. The Land of the Sun is socialist in ways the US can only dream of and envy. The largest bank is the government, so is the power company, the water company, the phone company and so on. The whole commercial setup is pretty much like a trip to any US federal government agency. Take a number, stand in line and wait for indifferent, lousy service. I feel this needs to be pointed out; for some reason people seem unaware.

Am I anti Uruguay? Of course not. I love the people and our second home. But let’s put the obvious cards on the table.

So what are the governmental/political differences? For one, there’s no totalitarian bent to the government here. Uruguay does not have a Patriot Act; it’s not a police state. The US seems to be heading that way. There’s harassment by Home Land Security, domestic spying by the FBI and fear of the Department of Justice who has tagged conservative dissidents as subversive.

What’s the life span of the so-called Uruguayan populist movement? South America seems to run in extreme cycles. Fascist governments become stylish, then the socialist throw them out and so the cycle goes. I believe the whole continent is in the midst of a secular move to the left with the exception of Chile, perhaps. I feel things will intensify and then remain clearly to the far left for years to come.

So what’s the end game in relocating here? In my opinion, physical and political safety are the overriding advantages when compared with the US. Government oppression is less likely here. But if you’re a conservative trying to escape a descent into left wing hell, living here is probably not a great idea. If you can accept the populist government, and the extreme systemic inefficiency, you may find Uruguay fills the bill on many other well-advertised levels.

In closing, I’m sure the Politically Correct will howl about this commentary. I’m sorry that I have the intestinal fortitude to talk about a sensitive issue!

Food for thought,

Steve Bowman

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I’m not sure what you mean by ‘conservative,’ a label that has been severely twisted the last few years, and I agree about the political arguments – though I think you have greater chance of marginalizing yourself in mateland if you try to convince the locals that a body of water with only one side and no flow is not, and in fact cannot be, a river.

“Take a ticket’ – is there anything in Uruguay that doesn’t involve taking a ticket and waiting in line? ANYTHING?

Without arguing, I think part of the discussion might hinge on whether things actually work. I would choose CFE (Mexican govt electric where we live) over Enron – wouldn’t any of your correspondents? They have a reputation for working well. I know the phone system in Uruguay ain’t the most desirable, but here in Mexico calling the US costs 3-4 times as much as calling from the US, because apparently one of the wealthiest men on the planet needs just a little more…from every person south of the Rio Grande, every day….

I’m not sure what Mexico has to do with it, but many things in Mexico do work pretty well.

I’d guess 95% of the companies in US are easier to do business with than the UY government extensions.

By the way, have you ever been in Uruguay?

We spent March in Uruguay, our second visit. Not much interaction with the fabled bureaucracy, yet.

Living in Mexico, it’s my current frame of reference. I wouldn’t say that ‘many’ things work pretty well – undrinkable water, wretched roads – but the electrical commission and bus system do.

Conservatives (I am one),both fiscal and social,need not look to Central and South America for a safe haven.
The decline of the great capatilistic experiment called the United States has as much to do with population as it does with philosopy.
Western Europe and Japan have the same problem and we need only look to them to see what’s coming to the States.Democracies start their decline when the citizens realize they can vote themselves gifts.The problem is we haven’t had enough children who can enter the workforce and pay for these gifts. Only Christ vcould divide the loaves and fishes and feed the multitude.

I think “conservatives” might be concerned more about fiscal irresponsibility than politics. Now that both Warren Buffett and president Obama have stated the same thing in public others may take note.

Since when are socialist fiscally responsible??

Traditional conservatism is completely about fiscal responsibility.

You’ve made an interesting assumption about me being left wing. The issue may be more about semantics than substance. My point was that the US has gone overboard, and many “socialist leaning” countries are demonstrating more fiscal restraint than the US as measured by the ration of deficits to GDP.

And the term “conservative” traditional or otherwise can be fiscal, social or a host of other areas.

“Uruguayan populist movement”. What’s that? Uruguay is far from leaning in a populist direction. Left and Populism, are two different things. Uruguay certainly had a Left government the past period of 5 years, and will have another elected Left government during the next five. However, what you call “Socialism” is not the product of the Uruguayan Left recent administration, but a move towards some social-democratic ways of living produced long time ago (starting in the second decade of the XXth Century). That shaped Uruguay as it is today (with all the pros and cons). That is, it may have some of the inconveniences you pointed out; but it is also the reason why many expats choose to live here. If it wasn’t for the uruguayan “socialist” way of living and thinking, we may be more like any other LA country, and probably you’ll be missing the conditions that brought you here.

The big difference between Mexico and UY is the retail interactions: gas stations give you the correct change as do stores. Every time you pull out your wallet in Mexico it’s a battle. Also the crime level is 140 degree opposite.

However, once there’s a business deal involved, both places are mostly the same.

In the market, a 200 peso (US$15) note inevitably results in someone running away for 5-10 minutes to get change, but otherwise I’ve only had change problems a couple times – once in Mexico City airport at 6AM as a store was opening, the other in the north when I asked for liters instead of a peso amount of gas, and the attendant demanded exact change as a result.

“Many ’socialist leaning’ countries are demonstrating more fiscal restraint than the US.” Of course they are; not much of a challenge there.

The US is not a socialist leaning country? No lean it’s there. The only difference from a political science standpoint is currently the US is developing a unique totalitarian blend of fascism and socialism.


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